So sorry you are having to deal with this

I can’t even imagine how disheartening and disturbing it must be to watch your son go through this and deal with the repercussions in the family.

I was trying to think about what I’d do if it was my son and as much as I always agree with Hal on things, I think I might have to go with the NO MLM in my house route. Period. I mean, I’m just not sure I could do it any other way…to watch it (the brain sucking, mind effbomb) attack my son like a cancer.

Yep, I’d def have to go that route. No MLM in no way, shape or form IN my house. Those are the rules. AND if I give him ANY money at all, then none of his money can be used for MLM, while he’s in my house.

Harsh maybe but if he was an alcoholic or drug addict, I would not allow just a little bit of drugs in my home…or be okay with paying his cell phone bill so he can call his drug dealer for drugs, etc. Nope, not happening.

I hope that the decisions you need to make come easily. Stay strong! You are not now and never will be the “bad guy” even if you have to make the hard decisions.

I’m in almost the identical situation

you are except my son has been at scamway for 1 1/2 years and is living at home. I have to disagree with Daniel. Asking your ds to read books like Merchants of Deception or even peruse this list is probably way beyond what he is capable of absorbing right now. I think what’s important is to let your son know that you love him and that you are there for him. I like Hal’s idea about emphasizing how he’s lucky to have such good friends and you’re sure they’ll help him out.

As for his living situation, I don’t see the point in restricting his involvement in ‘the business’ if he moves home or if you’re financially supporting him. It will only alienate him from you. You’ll be a dream stealer, a loser and every other negative word that scamway has taught him to flush the people who really care about him. Certainly, though, you can ask him to pay rent and contribute to the household expenses. If you are considering helping him out with living expenses, I would pay any funds directly to the landlord, utility company, etc. It’s just too difficult and contentious to track how a 24 yo spends his money if you’re giving cash or writing checks to him.

As for living in his car, it doesn’t sound that bad to me. But then, I have *no* idea what type of neighborhood he would be in. If it’s an unsafe, urban area, I’d be concerened but a well-lighted, highly trafficked urban area, a quiet suburban one or any rural area would probably be relatively safe.

Good luck and do let us know what happens.

Hi, I haven’t posted much, but I felt compelled to chime in, here.

Someone says, “AMO” and my ire gets up!

Of course not. But if he was using heroin and refused to get clean would you let him have his drugs in your house? Your son is an addict. He’s in trouble. SOMEone who knows what’s going on has to find the strength within and set the ground rules. Not out of meaness, but out of love.

I say, “Your house: your rules.” Time for some tough love. He needs detox and pronto.

The money he pours into scAmway products and all other “support” (i.e., indoctrination) materials stops as well. Get him (and keep him) away from the brain-sucking scum of his upline. Tell him it’s either that or to go out and buy new bed sheets for the back seat of the car. Period.

Point him to — and have him read — “Merchants of Deception” — an absolutely gripping read by Eric Scheibeler, a former Emerald, who details the nightmare that Fred Harteis (his creepy, smarmy upline) slowly and methodically snared him into. Make sure you read it too, if you haven’t already. As a recovering AMO survivor, I can’t say enough about how penetrating and cathartic this is.

That said, be ready for some heavy denial and anger and depression (on his part) and — if you’re lucky enough — he’ll pull through this MUCH wiser (if not more jaded, sadly).

Need I mention to have him browse this board as part of his (room and) board? Of course, if he was at all serious, he’s pretty far into it at three years. I don’t know if anyone can be ‘shocked’ or ‘shaken’ (or even ‘tough loved’) into their senses about those AMO bastards. You’d have had a tough time convincing ME that I was being brainwashed and duped. But then, you’re not my mother. (For the record, I sponsored my mother and father — bless their hearts for forgiving me!).

I’d just do anything I could out of love, patience and compassion for your son. For the past few years his eyes have been on a ball he’s been chasing, running headlong into the street. You’re in a perfect position to see the truck coming at him and I’d do whatever I could to help him see the real world. Of course, he has to be ready to see it. It took me over six years. Sorry if this sounds harsh or terse. I’ve been down that road and I’d do practically anything to keep others from staying involved in an AMO for any longer than was their destiny.

He needs a level head — a rock in his storm, because goodness knows his fair weather Quixtar buds won’t be there for him.

Best wishes to you and your son. Please keep mlmsurviorsclub updated. And please, PLEASE don’t cave on him.